嚴重不滿這個多啦A夢新聞網報導的內容並不客觀

[矮哥]

以下幾篇報導使我極之不滿意!!

然而，即使軌道修正了，故事好看了，也不見太大的起色。第一集高開可能因為眾人欲一聽新配音的表演所致，可是同時亦趕走了一批大山叮噹的擁戴者。2005年10月，換上主題曲，帶來一時的話題，可是到頭來日本又因為要安撫舊叮噹迷而在特備節目內播回舊主題曲。自2006年起，電視版動畫每一集故事標題前總會加一句煽動文句，如「技安第一次開演唱會呀!! 牆紙秘密基地」，有不少叮噹迷視之為冗長。

這段文章明顯地是作者針對新一批配音員的句子
趕走-將新的配音員說得像不知所謂般把舊多啦A夢迷趕走 (個人偏見!?)
用呢個字眼好唔得

站長個人認為，「擁抱吧！」的歌詞比起「叮噹」的歌詞遜色得多，唯一扣住叮噹的主題就只有副歌裡後三句「WAI WAI~Pocket (百寶袋) 裡有很多夢想！」、「HAI HAI~和你一起哦~」及「HAI HAI~ 甚麼也能做到啦！」。
之後的就是「擁抱啦~擁抱啦~大人小孩擁抱喇~擁抱啦~擁抱啦~貓貓狗狗也齊來擁抱啦！」 。

又看看《叮噹》日文原歌詞：
「這樣的事情真好 能夠實現的多好
這些夢 那些夢 有很多不同的夢想啊!
全部 全部 全部 可否替我實現嘛？
用那不可思議的百寶袋替我實現可以嗎？

想在天空自由自在地飛舞呢
「好呀~用竹蜻蜓！」
An An An 最喜愛的就是叮噹了！」

那首詞較好，立竿見影吧！

新的一曲就被這句說得不知所謂,我認為只是作者自己不懂欣賞


就呢2篇報導....內容雖是事實...但評論方面十分主觀,欠缺客觀性,有部份文
字更是針對新一系列改革.....這些報導很易給讀者有誤解..讓一些沒有機會
接觸或未曾接觸新一系列多啦A夢的人一個不好印象....
試想像一個正常人看了這篇報導會有什麼反應
我對這些報導十分反感是因為我一直都有收看現時日本新一輯多啦A夢
絕不是你所評論的差!!

就新配音員而言-舊一批太老..離開只是時間問題,況且他們的配音已不及以往,
說話中也帶年老的口音,所以換上新配音員是必須的.新一批配音員,比想像中好
很多,他們的聲音也十分入格..並沒有偏離原先的口味,我覺得只是有些人總覺得
以往的較好這總思想,沒有認真感受,帶先入為主的意念才會覺得新聲優不及以往.
況且如果是因為聲優變更而不再喜歡多啦A夢...那絕對只是他個人問題,根本不配
做多啦A夢迷,不肯接受新事物,為人古版沒有新意,不肯變通,死牛一面頸,這些人
的選擇是愚蠢的.

在新畫功方面,新畫功不但更似不二雄的形態,人物情感也不像以往那麼死版,絕對
生動得多,畫面角度方面,毫無避開麻煩位,不會一個鏡頭只有一個角度..表現更出色
新的角色保留了漫畫味道,場景也變得多層次化,也運用了新的科技,空間變得更立體,動作變得更有動感,這裹看不出有什麼壤事存在.

劇情方面,比以往好的是不再給我白痴的感覺,不再是以往般劇情單方向發展
變得有新意,多笑位,劇情活潑,以漫畫故事動畫化之餘,又加入很多不影響內容的
風趣部份,比以往的更有層次更有水準,絕不會看壞眼.

新一首主題曲,一首歌,係根年代而變的,現代表現出是輕鬆一面,不及以往那些古
老氣味,我不覺得新的歌曲比以往差,節奏流暢輕鬆,歌詞沒有離題,比以往平鋪的
感覺更為進步.

所以呢,我不滿作者多次針對變革,給讀者壞印象,我才花時間打篇文章出來!!

[白銀劍士]

嗯……你要對袁兄的文作出評論,我不是反對……
但請你在此版發言時不要使用廣東話= =
因為這版不是只有香港人在看的= =

請你更正有廣東話的部分

以上

[野味大雄]

我也明白你的不滿, 但我認為袁兄的其實也不是錯
他只是把自己的意見及結論打出來

就像討論區那樣, 每人都有自己的見解
又像報紙的評論那樣, 編者也不是以客觀的角度來看事情的

因此我認為在事實上再加上自己的評論其實是正確的事情

[艾西斐爾]

...
這是個人意見啦~
雖然可能是主觀了點...
但加上個人意見也只是供參考

>就像討論區那樣, 每人都有自己的見解
嗯!每人都有不同的想法,這反而帶出壞處,只看好處那也是要不得的
難道你想筆者全都盲目地讚美?

[Tony Li]

矮哥也不用這麼激動吧，那裏也寫了那只是他個人意見，不過.......我想很多人也未看過新的，大家是否有同感，也得看了才知.......

[pmhon]

致矮哥:
 我相信你看了一段時間新生多啦A夢，巳經適應了新作風，同時你又喜歡多啦A夢，所以你對那些新作風的批評感到反感也不足為奇。但希望你明白，當初要把多啦A夢重新改造時令多少人傷心，他們以舊版叮噹一貫風格來判斷新作風，自然有所不滿。
 人始終是念舊的。

[矮哥]

致矮哥:
 我相信你看了一段時間新生多啦A夢，巳經適應了新作風，同時你又喜歡多啦A夢，所以你對那些新作風的批評感到反感也不足為奇。但希望你明白，當初要把多啦A夢重新改造時令多少人傷心，他們以舊版叮噹一貫風格來判斷新作風，自然有所不滿。
 人始終是念舊的。

誰說人始終是念著,那只不過是先入為主,欺騙自己的想法!
現今人應該學會適應及接受新事物,人不可能停留以往,人是要進步才是.
當初要把多啦A夢重新改造時令多少人傷心???
才沒有將多啦A夢重新改造,那只是比以往更加可愛,更加有不二雄的口味.
有看漫畫都知道,新版的多啦A夢更像漫畫的人物造型

[白銀劍士]

這一點我有異議
我不認為新版動畫是更像漫畫中描繪出的人物形象
你們去觀察一下貓狗時空傳跟機械人王國的畫風分別吧……
其實不難看出畫風有所不同……
比方說:在時空傳一片中,靜兒的兩個辮子明顯巨化了,眼也變大了
而現在將這兩部片子跟相應的漫畫版本比對一下
在漫畫上,靜兒的辮有哪本是像「時空傳」動畫裡那麼大的?
結果呢,甚至在時空傳的漫畫中,她的辮子也是正常大小(就是以往的大小)
我要跟你說:這跟藤本老師的原本「口味」根本大相逕庭!
你看之前十五部動畫中的靜兒吧,眼睛跟辮子都是一個大小
絕沒有現在放大了的版本存在
而這點很幸運的,在漫畫中有傳承下去
反觀動畫就沒了這種情況了,根本跟藤本所畫的不一樣
新版的畫法甚至可以說是偏離了原本的畫風
因此其實並沒有多少藤本的「口味」存在,而是繼筆者的「口味」

看新進多而看舊的少的話就請你不要亂說
你比我們晚出生,這些心情你不會懂
你說應該學習接受新事物,不戀棧過去對吧?
若有一天,若你喜歡多年的動漫突然來個大革新,而且全是變得陌生的話
你也可以像現在那麼堅定的說你可以接受新版本,不會在意舊版本與其的差別嗎?不會念舊嗎?


題外話
漫畫長篇現在是由不二雄的門徒接筆畫下去
畫風明顯跟不二雄本人所畫的也是大有分別
其實從「發條都市冒險記」漫畫中也能看的出:界線是鬼五郎佔領星球前後的情景
由於這套漫畫是藤本老師畫了大半的情節後就離世了,其門徒於是照他留下來的故事路線繼續畫下去
所以將前後的人物輪廓仔細地比對一下,其實也不難發覺有分別的
而南海大冒險至時空傳這七部作品也是藤本老師留下來的故事劇本,亦是由其門徒代筆畫下去
所以跟這十七本舊版漫畫比對起來,發現畫風其實是沒多少藤本的口味留下來

袁兄他本人比我們都大,對叮噹的見解其實他是比我們這兒的每一個人都來得深入、來的有力
所以我們是有必要看他寫的分析,而不是只批評他的文章是不是守舊跟主觀
看完之後,再由自己來仔細的下判斷
這就是我們看他寫的文的態度!

[pmhon]

看新進多而看舊的少的話就請你不要亂說
你比我們晚出生,這些心情你不會懂
你說應該學習接受新事物,不戀棧過去對吧?
若有一天,若你喜歡多年的動漫突然來個大革新,而且全是變得陌生的話
你也可以像現在那麼堅定的說你可以接受新版本,不會在意舊版本與其的差別嗎?不會念舊嗎?

我看這個主題下的文章開始有火藥味，不要再刺激他了，如果他真的喜歡新版叮噹，就讓他喜歡吧!

袁兄他本人比我們都大,對叮噹的見解其實他是比我們這兒的每一個人都來得深入、來的有力
所以我們是有必要看他寫的分析,而不是只批評他的文章是不是守舊跟主觀
看完之後,再由自己來仔細的下判斷
這就是我們看他寫的文的態度!

我不贊成因為袁兄年齡較大，所以對叮噹見解較深入; 這是因為袁兄對叮噹非常喜歡，他對叮噹的一舉一動曢如此掌。我也喜歡叮噹，我今年26歲，自小開始巳知道只要無線播放叮噹，我一定會去收看，所以我相信我一定收看叮噹的次數及範圍比各位多，這又如何? 我對叮噹的見解不及袁兄及在下各位，要經常留意他的文章和評論，並得到啟發， 我對袁兄心悅誠服啊!

[Doraneko]

看新進多而看舊的少的話就請你不要亂說
你比我們晚出生,這些心情你不會懂
你說應該學習接受新事物,不戀棧過去對吧?
若有一天,若你喜歡多年的動漫突然來個大革新,而且全是變得陌生的話
你也可以像現在那麼堅定的說你可以接受新版本,不會在意舊版本與其的差別嗎?不會念舊嗎?

Greetings from a ranting newbie.


I have been lurking around since the opening of these forums, but apparently there is nothing thought-provoking enough to motivate me to make a post. Ironically it is something provocative that eventually forces me to have a say instead of hiding under the cover.

I have been watching the Doraemon series since 5, and by now I am still glued to my seat whenever Asahi TV broadcasts the series on Friday evenings. So at least I have some ideas of the whole fuss over the new seiyuus. I personally prefer the old group of seiyuus to the new one. I can go on and write a few pages on this, but I will leave that till I have a better mood or when there are some mature discussion partners.

The main point of the thread, as emphasized by the lead-poster, is the issue on the objectivity of a Chinese Doraemon news site. In short, the first message is mainly about:

1. The fact that the news editor injected his personal opinions into a news article
2. The opinion that the new group of seiyuus is better

Point 1 is a fact, something undebatable per se. "News," at least in the democratic societies, is and should be an objective, unbiased report of events that are proven to have happened, or are going to happen. While perosnal opinions, commentaries on recent events and miscellaneous stances should be kept in areas separated from the news section, like editorials and columns. This principle is also expected to hold in the Wired, if we assume that it is a democratic community. Funny but pathetic is that the younger HKers are Taiwanese get brainwashed by Apple Daily and Oriental Daily so thoroughly that they think news should be subjective in nature. Bear in mind that "two wrong doesn't make a right."

Point 2 is a opinion. No more, no less. Every opinion is true and valid, as long as it is an accurate and truthful expression of a person's ideas and feelings on something. Your average Joe calling Guernica of Picaso "a mess of random clippings" is as valid as an art professor claiming that it is "the pinnacle of Picaso's artistic achievement."

I hold great respect towards Yuan-san's contribution to the Chinese Doraemon fandom and his effort in keeping the fans updated with the happenings in Japan. Nevertheless there is undeniably some room for improvement in the presentation of the news article. I fully understands that he could have some views on the seiyuus that he would like to share with his fellow readers. Yet it would probably be more appropriate if he could separate the opinions from the facts, and put them on a separated category like "commentaries" or "reviews." No matter if it is a personal site or an organization site, as long as it is regarded and named as a news portal rather than a personal blog, the webmaster has the responsibility to maintain the integrity and authority of the content.

Indeed, if an article is put under the news section of a news site, the readers will automatically think it as more of a piece of news than an opinion. No one can fault the readers for that. Furthermore, a biased news article can greatly influence the readers' views towards the entity mentioned and affect their analysis and appreciation of the said entity in the future.

*OT: Not exactly related, but this is the result of a very similar event happening on an English news site managed merely by fans of a medium. Special attention should be noted on "the standards of news casting"
http://visualnews.net/?subaction=showfu ... om=&ucat=&

What I find funny, at the same time disappointing is that certain posters in this thread apparently lack the ability to appreciate facts and respect opinions. The more irritating part is that they are far too ready to show how l33t they appears to be. They try to put up a "Holier-than-thou" attitude, bashing the lead-poster for his n00bness, as "proven" by his age (where the heck did the lead-poster mentioned his age?). Additionally, they show a tendency of taking a fan's comments as cannon just because they think he is "l33t3r." Not to mention the name-calling part, which I find retarded to go deep into. I am not sure of the reasoning behind their actions, but e-p33n enlarging and showing off apparenly plays a role here.

Elitism is, in my opinion, a real detriment and obstacle to thoughtful and healthy discussions. This is a prevailing phenomenon in many Chinese anime communities, where the crowd would hold every single word of a few experienced members as absolute doctrine. Fans, in essence, are people that love a certain piece or series of work(s). A more experienced fans, is merely, more experienced. They could have a better ability in prediction and forecasting of future trends given their adequate exposure. But when it comes to opinions, its value bears little difference with the others. Do you think I can bash my 5-year-old cousin for calling Doraemon by its Japanese romanization instead of "Ding dong," when I find the latter a much better Chinese name? Certainly not. And of course my much longer exposure to the series doesn't help either. A 1-day fan and a 50-year fan can always hold different views and opinions, but by no means any party is l33t3r than the others.

Finally, the word of the day is "agree to disagree." Feel free to argue by use of facts, but never ever bash, personally attack, name-call, or harass by whatever means a person that holds views different from yours.




~Doraneko